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Lord Charles Hai - Fontenoy by GeneralVyse Lord Charles Hai - Fontenoy by GeneralVyse
In response to Kaiser Conti's excellent work; After you Messieurs: [link]

Kaiser Conti drew the French, I've drawn the English. I can't promise it's very accurate as I didn't have much by way of reference, but I hope you like it!

"On obtaining the summit of the ridge the Allied (British-Hanoverian) column found itself facing the first line of French infantry. The French and Swiss guards, together with the regiments of Aubeterre and Courten, rose and advanced towards the crest, whereupon the two forces confronted each other at a distance of 30 paces (...) The English officers saluted the French by doffing their hats. the French, returned the greeting. My Lord Charles Hai, captain in the English Guards cried, 'Gentlemen of the French Guards, fire !' The Comte d'Auteroche, then lieutenant of Grenadiers in the French Guards, shouted, 'Gentlemen, we never fire first, fire yourselves! "
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VFreie Featured By Owner Aug 4, 2011
As many have already said, it's great to see the "other side" to Kaiser's piece! And in such neat details and texturing... Love it.
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Broadshore Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2011  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Nice work mate!
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Victorian-Dandy Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2011  Hobbyist General Artist
Excellent companion piece to Kasier-Conti's work. :)
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GeneralVyse Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2011
Thankyou!
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Kaiser-Conti Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2011
d'oooh why haven't I thought of such background myself! xP It's way cooler, that contrast between the bright sky and the old paper below is just pure style! And I was not wrong with my feelings about this pic, the only thing I pity is the fact that it's quite dark, you can't enjoy all those details fully :)

Btw, Dau's regiment defended the village of Fontenoy! :D
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GeneralVyse Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2011
It's just the red parts that are dark I think - I can fix that as I saved the selection. Might change it later. Of course the shade of red varied tremendously in the period but I'm sur Officers should be more scarlet as you would imagine.

The background was based on yours, It' more an homage to yourself!

My only other concer, was whether the breeches should be blue or red (blue for royal regiments, but one of my reference pictures had a 1st footguards officer of the period with red breeches) and what colour the waistcoat should be as they were mostly shown in a buff colour.

Any advice?
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Kaiser-Conti Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2011
hrm, well I am a uniform geek, but sadly the British army is one of the less explored by me, but say, can you give a link to this reference? I've found sth like that: [link] It might be seven years war uniform as well, but the Brits didn't change their uniform then no?

ah, homage or not, it still looks better than my idea! ;)
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GeneralVyse Featured By Owner Jul 20, 2011
Thanks Dau,

Unfortunately they did change between 1743 and 175?1? facings changed colours subtly, waistcoat and breech colours changed, some regts disbanded and replaced by others - but I do have an excellent reference for Other ranks, just not officers.

One thing that does vary wildly is the design of cuffs - it varies from regiment to regiment massively, but also between full, town and field dress.
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Kaiser-Conti Featured By Owner Jul 21, 2011
hrm... the whole thing seems to be complicated :D I looked at Knoetel's work
[link] and oddly...it's basically the same as the period depiction of the foot guards, that I posted before lol... he only added a superior officer with a buff waistcoat , though the details of the cuff buttonholes don't seem convincing. But still, Knotel is a rather second hand source, which doesn't solve the case.

I only managed to find out that Hay served in the King's Company of the First Foot Guards, so that made him...well a captain at the very most no?
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GeneralVyse Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2011
The officer on the left is wearing what my book calls town dress, but the full dress uniform I saw had deeper bucket cuffs and none of the button/flap part.

Yes, in one of the quotes of the action, he is called a captain, and indeed, that is the highest rank for a company. What I don't know is whether he ought to be a Grenadier!

I really enjoyed drawing this though, I ought to do some more.

Did I mention I commissioned a Marines coat? Just white facings and buttons in pairs - it ought to be done by the end of the month AND AND AND I have made a Grenadiers cap.
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